“Is the Lotus Sutra authentic?” by Bhikkhu Sujato


Bhikkhu Sujato, a young Australian monk with a background in philosophy, is one of my heroes because of his ability to think critically about the Buddhist tradition, and especially for his thinking on the relation between samatha and vipassana approaches to meditation. I admire his geekiness.

Anyway, here he is on the question of the authenticity of Mahayana sutras:

One of our commenters asked about whether the Lotus Sutra was considered authentic according to the Theravadin view.

To answer this from the traditional Theravadin point of view, all the Mahayana Sutras are inauthentic in the sense that they were not spoken by the Buddha. Historically, Theravada has tended to take a dim view of Mahayana, regarding it as a mere degeneration of the pure teachings.

That the Lotus Sutra and other Mahayana Sutras were not spoken by the Buddha is unanimously supported by modern scholarship. I don’t know of a single academic in the last 150 years who has argued otherwise. The basic historical background is given in Wikipedia. The upshot is that the Lotus Sutra was composed over a period of time, or in a number of stages. The oldest sources probably stem from a little before the common era, and it was finalized around 200 CE. This makes it one of the earliest Mahayana Sutras (and it is even argued that the earliest form of the sutra may not have even been Mahayana).

So there is no doubt that the Lotus Suta and other Mahayana sutras are historically late, dating from many centuries after the Buddha. When reading them as historical documents, rather than seeing them as spoken by the Buddha, we should see them as the response and articulation by Buddhists of the past to the conditions that they were in. They were addressing matters of concern for them, asking how the Dhamma is to be applied in these situations. Of course the same is true of many Theravadin texts, although in the case of the early Suttas and Vinaya there is still a core that probably stems from the Buddha himself.

Why were the Mahayana Sutras phrased as if spoken literally by the Buddha? This is a difficult question, and there is unlikely to be one answer. Partly it was just how the literary form evolved. But I suspect, given the visionary nature of many Mahayanist texts, that they often stemmed from meditation experiences; visions of the Buddha, memories of ‘teachings’ received while in samadhi. Perhaps the authors of these texts believed that the Buddha was really present to them in some sense – and this is indeed the theme of many Mahayana sutras. Or perhaps they more humbly believed that they had gained insight into the Dhamma in some direct way.

This has obvious relevance for those interested in Fake Buddha Quotes. From a certain point of view, all Mahayana Sutras are Fake Buddha Quotes. But this doesn’t undermine their spiritual relevance or usefulness. I’ve never claimed that the message of any Fake Quote is diminished because it the words don’t happen to stem from the Buddha. In saying that a quote isn’t from the Buddha, I am not automatically saying that the quote isn’t valid. The validity of the quote is a separate matter.

Here’s a link to Bhikkhu Sujato’s blog. It’s worth a visit.

9 thoughts on ““Is the Lotus Sutra authentic?” by Bhikkhu Sujato”

  1. The Dharmaguptakas argued that the original teachings of the Buddha were lost. The language and texts that recorded the Dharmaguptakas, the Gandharan texts, are the oldest Buddhist manuscripts every found, millennia older than anything in the Pali canon. So, in a sense, all Buddha quotes are fake Buddha quotes.

    1. If you look at the “About” page for this site you’ll see I’ve argued there that there’s nothing we can safely classify as a genuine quotation from the Buddha. I’m skeptical of the argument from Dharmaguptaka claims, however. It’s not exactly uncommon for one school to argue that their texts are the most authentic 🙂

  2. However, there is a significant number of people who have developed a fundamentalist line of interpretation regarding the Pali scriptures of the Theravada without any critical survey of their own claims. The Theravada are on even shakier ground than the Dharmagutaka!

    1. Yes, it’s interesting looking at Bhante Sujato’s analysis of the various versions of the Satipatthana Sutta, which show that the Theravadin version has been messed around with more than any of the others. This of course may just be a function of the Theravada being a living tradition, and thus in a position to keep editing texts.

  3. I think it’s a dirty secret of every tradition that they innovate. If you look at any tradition, not just in Buddhism (I just spent several years in the Middle East where ‘innovation’ is a dirty word/fighting words, but it’s there, everywhere, just some choose to not see), you’ll find that there are differences after several generations. I don’t think it’s damning at all. Perfectly human. Look at how even languages change. We see differences in usage and pronunciation when grandparents grumble about grandchildren! However, if you are a fundamentalist of some kind, and you want an infallible bit of scripture to rest your interpretation of the true, good and beautiful, then it is rather damning. Oh, well. I enjoy reading your site! Thank you for your efforts!

    1. I’m glad you enjoy the site, J. I’m not sure if, in using the word “you” in “if you are a fundamentalist of some kind, and you want an infallible bit of scripture…” you’re addressing me or using the generic “you.” Anyway, my concern is here is just to distinguish inaccurate citations from legitimate ones. Later (innovative) scriptures can be more profound than earlier ones…

  4. Are you ‘sure sure’? 😉 That’s a lovely typo, especially seeing that English does use reduplication of that sort! (“Are you just sure, or are you sure sure?”)

    I thought ‘indefinite you’ was obvious from context. I could have written ‘if one is a fundamentalist…’, but that sounds a little too formal for a blog!

    Yes, I agree with you about legitimate quotes, profound quotes, and everything else! I’m sure sure! 😉

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